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Re: RAW thoughts (6/25/12)

Postby potatoes » Tue Jun 26, 2012 5:03 am

CustomJoeyV wrote:I know the whole idea is that we need Perfect 10's out there or girls with body-parts that are fake to be attractive for wrestling but that right there is such a sight for sore eyes. Cute, athletic body that looks natural and it looks great. The fact that they're giving her a push without demanding her to change her body really gives me hope for the future of the diva's division, especially when talented women wrestlers like KC Cassidy and Jessie McKay who have stated aspirations of going to the WWE at some point are available and do/should not need a boob job to get a job.

I completely agree with Will on his Steroid's point, but I bring it to even the other side. I wont blame a girl who gets em, but I think the entire business is better off when the performers are people I'm sure are talented and give me great matches rather than how they look like. Give me the AJ's and the Gail Kims of the world.

Spoilers: Gail Kim has fake tits.



Pretty good show, for what it's worth. The only thing I didn't care for was Cena's Star Wars promo. I love that the crowd is slowly turning Ziggler face and I hope they embrace it for a slow burn, a Rumble win and Ziggler winning the title at Mania.

Also, loud AJ chants? Fuck yes. Too bad they have no idea where the angle is going.

Also also, can't wait for Punk and Bryan to not main event another PPV!
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Re: RAW thoughts (6/25/12)

Postby HbkLegendKiller » Tue Jun 26, 2012 6:36 am

I think Mysterio is going to be added to the WWE title ladder match
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Re: RAW thoughts (6/25/12)

Postby rwynn27 » Tue Jun 26, 2012 7:03 am

Besides having the best angle going being put on first again, it was an ok show. Vickie was great except for the first time ever in over two years comment. She gets a pass though. Would love to see her as full time gm.

Cena/Show makes me want to watch crack angles on TNA.

AJ is the best but I hope they don't overdo it.

I want Sid vs Vader on ppv.

I think the crowd is giving Ziggler the Bryan push. Good.

Next week....Billy Gunn please?
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Re: RAW thoughts (6/25/12)

Postby TheJoeCadena » Tue Jun 26, 2012 8:03 am

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AJ is the best but I hope they don't overdo it.

On the contrary, I think it should be Monday Night Raw starring AJ.
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Re: RAW thoughts (6/25/12)

Postby PaulGriffin » Tue Jun 26, 2012 8:19 am

rwynn27 wrote:Besides having the best angle going being put on first again, it was an ok show. Vickie was great except for the first time ever in over two years comment. She gets a pass though. Would love to see her as full time gm.

Cena/Show makes me want to watch crack angles on TNA.

AJ is the best but I hope they don't overdo it.

I want Sid vs Vader on ppv.

I think the crowd is giving Ziggler the Bryan push. Good.

Next week....Billy Gunn please?


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Re: RAW thoughts (6/25/12)

Postby TheHunter » Tue Jun 26, 2012 8:56 am

I am just gonna say it for the sake of someone saying it: The brand split is dead. I agree with Will, just get rid of the Marquees during entrances. It's silly.

Another thing that needs to be said for the sake of it being said: This is going to be the first MiTB match to close out the MiTB PPV thanks to Cena's involvement.

Very VERY good RAW. I enjoyed it, the crowd was superbly hot for the opening segment which made it even better. Loved the opening match and giving Bryan a semi-clean victory was very cool to see. I really want this match to be made at least a 30 minute Iron Man match on PPV, I don't even ask for an hour. Just give it 30 minutes and it would be fucking amazing to see.

AJ has been phenomenal those last few weeks and this RAW was no different, not much to elaborate here.

Jericho's return made me "Miz in my pants" (Old school RBR reference) because as Cena was cutting his jokes I just took out my Galaxy S3 (Yes, Android Bandwaggon!!!) And started playing asphalt so I forgot about Jericho's return for a second. The crowd went ape-shit for Jericho which made me very happy. I didn't hate Cena's comedy entirly, but the ONLY thing I had in mind when he was cutting Star Wars References was "Your fans are 9 ... you fucking said it yourself ... there is no fucking way they know anything about starwars". Initially it wasn't bad but he eventually overkilled the joke as he usually does.

I want Ziggler to win MiTB, I am pretty sure if they are going to follow in the trail of giving MiTB to the guy with the least amount of momentum, Cody Rhodes is winning. But I really feel this time they just have to give it to Ziggler. Also, I don't enjoy Del Rio anymore; his gimmick is boring, his promos are boring and the only redeeming qualities he has is his in-ring skills and the fact that we get to see Ricardo Rodriguez.

I know the Contract on a pole was a bit confusing, but it's an inadvertent call back to the IC title Ladder match from TLC 2010 where Kofi Kingston and Jack Swagger unhooked the IC title but it fill to the ground and Ziggler (Who was on the ground) got it and won the match. I was fine with this except the last part of it where they were trying to grab it from the Matt ... [face_tired]

Jericho to Cena is what Mic Foley was to Triple H. Just sayin ....
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Re: RAW thoughts (6/25/12)

Postby William R » Tue Jun 26, 2012 10:24 am

Jericho has actually beaten Cena though.

I liked this Raw, but I'm still just flabbergasted at the idea that in 2012 they're doing two Money in the Bank matches specific to each title. I mean who gives a shit about the guy who's forced to cash in on Sheamus? I don't get why they didn't just either make one big match or make both of them an open opportunity at either champion. At least add some intrigue.

I liked so much about this Raw though. Hell, Cena's Star Wars promo wasn't even the worst thing he's ever done. The use of AJ was great and WWE seems to be aware that she's clearly the most over Diva they've had in quite some time. Speaking of over divas though, did Eve just drop off the face of the earth?
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Re: RAW thoughts (6/25/12)

Postby Barrylad » Tue Jun 26, 2012 10:48 am

Eve was filming a C level reality show for the last month or so. She was scheduled to be back by now but "plans change".
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Re: RAW thoughts (6/25/12)

Postby Mikedh » Tue Jun 26, 2012 12:14 pm

Cool to see Sid, I hate seeing the same old timers used again and again. Nice that they are reaching out to people they normally would not.
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Re: RAW thoughts (6/25/12)

Postby Smitty » Tue Jun 26, 2012 5:48 pm

RAW was alright, better than last week. They really should just retire the US Title. Santino has killed the fuck out of that thing.



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Re: RAW thoughts (6/25/12)

Postby TheJoeCadena » Tue Jun 26, 2012 6:21 pm

Smitty wrote:
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Re: RAW thoughts (6/25/12)

Postby Barrylad » Tue Jun 26, 2012 6:35 pm

Smitty wrote:RAW was alright, better than last week. They really should just retire the US Title. Santino has killed the fuck out of that thing.



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Re: RAW thoughts (6/25/12)

Postby MarSolo » Tue Jun 26, 2012 6:37 pm

I always wondered Matt's thoughts on Layla, since he deems Stacy Keibler to be too old and everything...
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Re: RAW thoughts (6/25/12)

Postby Matt G » Tue Jun 26, 2012 6:47 pm

Anyone who has actually heard the Stacy Keibler clip knows I was joking with the "too old, wouldn't bang" thing.

She is definitely not old.
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Re: RAW thoughts (6/25/12)

Postby Barrylad » Tue Jun 26, 2012 6:50 pm

It is kind of weird to think Layla turned 35 yesterday. Not just because she doesn't really look it, but Divas these days seem to get younger and younger. Kelly's still only like 23, Paige in FCW is under 21 at least.
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Re: RAW thoughts (6/25/12)

Postby CMatt420 » Tue Jun 26, 2012 6:55 pm

Layla's 35????? Wow!
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Re: RAW thoughts (6/25/12)

Postby Skatz » Tue Jun 26, 2012 6:58 pm

Most of my thoughts have been echoed by others, mostly the positive thoughts, so I'll just focus on something I hadn't noticed yet.

Something I'm finding really odd right now is that there were (in my perspective) FOUR people tonight who are primarily heels that were booked like "tweeners" at the minimum at certain points during the show:

- Ziggler's match and backstage segments continue down the slow face turn path.

- AJ, as adorable and cherubic (a Potatoes trademarked adjective that is perfect) as she is, is really an unbalanced heel in her main angle that's fucking around with the three guys mentally because she can, but was booked like a clear babyface against Vicki in her match.

- Speaking of, Kane's promo backstage with AJ was that of a a rational babyface knowing that it's time to cut ties, especially knowing his own personal failings, and coming off as very likable compared with the lady.

- While Jericho letting Big Show abuse Cena was trademark heel, his promo against John was very much like the "CM Punk counterpoint" babyface role in which he's catering to the "smark" demographic. He even let the Y2J chants build without showing any signs of disdain and cut a very serious promo that put over the MitB match and never degraded the fans once. ROFLMELTZ mentioned on Observer Radio last week that there was a sentiment of turning Y2J face, and him beginning with "SHUT. THE HELL. UP!" certainly didn't disprove that story.
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Re: RAW thoughts (6/25/12)

Postby CustomJoeyV » Tue Jun 26, 2012 7:37 pm

Limericklad wrote:It is kind of weird to think Layla turned 35 yesterday. Not just because she doesn't really look it, but Divas these days seem to get younger and younger. Kelly's still only like 23, Paige in FCW is under 21 at least.
Paige was wrestling in Britain since she was 16 or maybe even younger so it feels weird to realize how young she really is.
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Re: RAW thoughts (6/25/12)

Postby aliceradley » Tue Jun 26, 2012 9:40 pm

Skatz wrote:- Speaking of, Kane's promo backstage with AJ was that of a a rational babyface knowing that it's time to cut ties, especially knowing his own personal failings, and coming off as very likable compared with the lady.


The Kane segment was my favorite moment of the night. They made him hilarious. He was well spoken, self-aware and sort of ironically funny. Loved it. They should have him speak like that more often.
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Re: RAW thoughts (6/25/12)

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Re: RAW thoughts (6/25/12)

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Re: RAW thoughts (6/25/12)

Postby BrokenCycle » Wed Jun 27, 2012 12:51 am

"Oooh AJ she's a video game otaku euluueughgh..."
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Re: RAW thoughts (6/25/12)

Postby CustomJoeyV » Wed Jun 27, 2012 1:39 am

potatoes wrote:
CustomJoeyV wrote:I know the whole idea is that we need Perfect 10's out there or girls with body-parts that are fake to be attractive for wrestling but that right there is such a sight for sore eyes. Cute, athletic body that looks natural and it looks great. The fact that they're giving her a push without demanding her to change her body really gives me hope for the future of the diva's division, especially when talented women wrestlers like KC Cassidy and Jessie McKay who have stated aspirations of going to the WWE at some point are available and do/should not need a boob job to get a job.

I completely agree with Will on his Steroid's point, but I bring it to even the other side. I wont blame a girl who gets em, but I think the entire business is better off when the performers are people I'm sure are talented and give me great matches rather than how they look like. Give me the AJ's and the Gail Kims of the world.

Spoilers: Gail Kim has fake tits.

[face_doh]

She does, how did I forget that. Still, even then her body type does not come off the same as did a Trish or Torrie or the like. I don't mean to say I want nothing but very skinny girls like AJ, I think variety is the best course. I just wish most of the women, or at least the company wasn't so focus on at numerous points, going after just one type, especially when that one type was "big chested girls with super model physiques".
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Re: RAW thoughts (6/25/12)

Postby potatoes » Wed Jun 27, 2012 7:26 am

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Re: RAW thoughts (6/25/12)

Postby TheHunter » Wed Jun 27, 2012 8:56 am

Skatz wrote:Most of my thoughts have been echoed by others, mostly the positive thoughts, so I'll just focus on something I hadn't noticed yet.

Something I'm finding really odd right now is that there were (in my perspective) FOUR people tonight who are primarily heels that were booked like "tweeners" at the minimum at certain points during the show:

- While Jericho letting Big Show abuse Cena was trademark heel, his promo against John was very much like the "CM Punk counterpoint" babyface role in which he's catering to the "smark" demographic. He even let the Y2J chants build without showing any signs of disdain and cut a very serious promo that put over the MitB match and never degraded the fans once. ROFLMELTZ mentioned on Observer Radio last week that there was a sentiment of turning Y2J face, and him beginning with "SHUT. THE HELL. UP!" certainly didn't disprove that story.


I agree, and the "shut ... The hell ... up" is still one of my favorite Y2Jish lines. I also heard a rumor from someone (It has a 1% potential of being true) that they are turning Jericho face. But with the other rumors that he is leaving soon, I doubt it.


Also, to Will: When has Jericho beaten Cena, clean at least? Was that before or after the clause in his contract? [face_wink]
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