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[Thabass]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmgvVzwhqLo

It's sad to see this icon (yes, icon) moving on from wrestling. Especially since he believes there's still a market for this stuff. I mean, didn't TNA prove that there isn't anymore? I mean, I am a big fan of ECW and always will be, but there is a time and place for it. It's not the time anymore.

I would much rather see matches that told stories with WRESTLING, not violence. The two don't go hand in hand and it only worked for a while. I'm happy to see that Shane is moving into a more business type of role, but at the same time, I hate to see him leave the ring in order to do it.

[BrokenCycle]

I'm happy to see that Shane is moving into a more business type of role, but at the same time, I hate to see him leave the ring in order to do it.

Why?....

He's 47 years old and hasn't been relevant since 2000.

[Thabass]

I'm happy to see that Shane is moving into a more business type of role, but at the same time, I hate to see him leave the ring in order to do it.

Why?....

He's 47 years old and hasn't been relevant since 2000.

I've always liked his style in the ring.

[FelipeDiazVera]

I'm happy to see that Shane is moving into a more business type of role, but at the same time, I hate to see him leave the ring in order to do it.

Why?....

He's 47 years old and hasn't been relevant since 2000.

I've always liked his style in the ring.

I feel the same way about Raven...and he should be nowhere NEAR a wrestling ring unless in a speaking role exclusively. Not to mention Shane Douglas for the past several years has been an attention whore, out of shape, and way past his prime.

I say good for him to finally realize he should not be wrestling right now...because he shouldn't be.

[BadBad_LeroyBrown]

I'm sorry, you're entitled to your opinion, but Shane Douglas is nowhere near an icon. On the list of people that made ECW what is was, I don't even think he's in the top five, his runs in WCW and WWF were barely relevent, and he's spent the last 12 years poorly attempting to capitalize on his "glory days".

If you were to show 1000 people on the street a picture of Shane Douglas, maybe three would know who he is. That does not make you an icon.

[Norfolk Enchants]

Shane Douglas wasn't really that extreme either, he was just the conduit to start the era of extreme when he threw down the NWA title. Other than that he wasn't really that important in the grand scheme of things in ECW , nobody would have cared if he left. He was an effective heel but so was Justin Credible. Douglas wasn't talented enough to make it elsewhere like so many others from that company were, he was actually more of the same old shit WWf and WCW were shoving down people's throats only with the outlet to swear and appear cool.

[CMatt420]

Without Shane Douglas, ECW does not exist. Period. He was one of their best champions, and could always put on a great match. He certainly is an icon. Much more than some other people who claim it at this point.

[Norfolk Enchants]

Without Shane Douglas, ECW does not exist. Period. He was one of their best champions, and could always put on a great match. He certainly is an icon. Much more than some other people who claim it at this point.

Name one good match he had in ECW. His most memorable is the one he lost to Tazz in under a minute. He was inconsequential and certainly wouldn't have been missed if he was never there and indeed wasn't missed when he wasn't . You seem to be revising history a little there, that wasn't the perception people had of Shane Douglas when I was watching it. ECW doesn't exist without Douglas?[face_laugh]

[MarSolo]

Why are we talking about the greeter at my local Target?

I thought this was a wrestling board?

[PaulGriffin]

Why are we talking about the greeter at my local Target?

I thought this was a wrestling board?

This is all part of my fantasy that all old ECW talent has moved on to work at the same target to fill different roles. Maybe sometimes they think of the good ole days and pretend to hit each other with brushed metal frames or pretend their starbucks is one of Sandman's beers. Then when its time to close the store down...they clean up and go home to return the next day.

[Skatz]

This is all part of my fantasy that all old ECW talent has moved on to work at the same target to fill different roles. Maybe sometimes they think of the good ole days and pretend to hit each other with brushed metal frames or pretend their starbucks is one of Sandman's beers. Then when its time to close the store down...they clean up and go home to return the next day.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYTxprH8Ojo#t=13s

[Limericklad]

Being a significant part of ECW in the beginning (and doing a bunch of forgettable shit afterward) does not make him an icon. I mean, that's stretching the word icon worse than Scott Hall's last attempt at getting into his tights.

Also I don't feel bad for poor Shane Douglas, digging this shit up again for the millionth time for a cheap buck*, not being able to let the past go, and booking himself in a main event despite being fat and awful. Not only are these shows embarrassing, but they're also hugely exploitative of the talent involved and no one is oblivious enough to have not seen this coming.

Fuck. Him.

*Incidentally, this show did what will easily be the biggest indie gate of the year, made up of equally pathetic fans who showed up to boo the new guys for being new, and boo the old guys for being fat and out of it. What do these pricks want?

[Thabass]

He only jumpstarted the rise of "extreme" wrestling, which was brought into the mainstream and was adapted by the WWE and WCW respectively.

Nope, not an icon at all.

[Limericklad]

Woah, woah, woah. Yes he was there at that pivotal moment when the company changed its name from "Eastern" to "Extreme" but what amazing things did he do that kickstarted the actual extreme style? If we're talking pioneers of the style who gave us memorable moments and made it "cool", and were iconic for it, we're talking Sabu, Funk, Foley and others.

Also, completely separate debate, but we could argue how great this was for the business. For evidence of its drawbacks - take a lil look back over the results of his PPV here.

[Skatz]

I feel like we could come to more of a consensus if we swapped the term "icon" with "pioneer". And more to the point, the nature of his actions at that time pioneered more of the "shoot"/"worked shoot" style of angles and promos psychologically than anything violent relating to matches that ECW did from then on. That said, the violence is FAR more impulsively associated to ECW than the angles. Even in the Rise and Fall DVD, they never said he was "extreme" for anything match related.

And at the time, at least from every angle I heard, the throwing down of the NWA was a big deal to smarks.

He can basically be remembered in the same vein as, say, Mike D'Antoni will be remembered as the guy that brought the "Seven Seconds or Less" offense to the NBA in this era; or how the Fab Five in college basketball reinvented the sport's image; or how if not for Surfer Rosa, Nevermind likely doesn't exist in its form: you can point to him as a key figure that hardcore fans could probably argue is an important guy, but by no means a cultural legend.

[MarSolo]

Alundra Blaze throwing the Women's Title in the trash was a bigger deal than Shane Douglas throwing down the NWA Title.

[Thabass]

I feel like we could come to more of a consensus if we swapped the term "icon" with "pioneer". And more to the point, the nature of his actions at that time pioneered more of the "shoot"/"worked shoot" style of angles and promos psychologically than anything violent relating to matches that ECW did from then on. That said, the violence is FAR more impulsively associated to ECW than the angles. Even in the Rise and Fall DVD, they never said he was "extreme" for anything match related.

And at the time, at least from every angle I heard, the throwing down of the NWA was a big deal to smarks.

He can basically be remembered in the same vein as, say, Mike D'Antoni will be remembered as the guy that brought the "Seven Seconds or Less" offense to the NBA in this era; or how the Fab Five in college basketball reinvented the sport's image; or how if not for Surfer Rosa, Nevermind likely doesn't exist in its form: you can point to him as a key figure that hardcore fans could probably argue is an important guy, but by no means a cultural legend.

I guess I can role with this. I will be the first to admit that I always thought the NWA title being thrown down was an iconic moment. I guess pioneer is a better word for it now that I see it in that context.

[CMatt420]

Without Shane Douglas, ECW does not exist. Period. He was one of their best champions, and could always put on a great match. He certainly is an icon. Much more than some other people who claim it at this point.

Name one good match he had in ECW. His most memorable is the one he lost to Tazz in under a minute. He was inconsequential and certainly wouldn't have been missed if he was never there and indeed wasn't missed when he wasn't . You seem to be revising history a little there, that wasn't the perception people had of Shane Douglas when I was watching it. ECW doesn't exist without Douglas?[face_laugh]

Shane Douglas/Al Snow is one of the best matches in ECW history. There are others, but I can't think of all of them off the top of my head.